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		<title>By: b.rox &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Absolute Favorite Albums of the Aughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>b.rox &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Absolute Favorite Albums of the Aughts</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] should note this list was inspired by a post Jeb made at Musical Family Tree and also by J&#8217;s list. Thanks, guys, for suckering me in. This list took way longer to compile than I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Nickell</title>
		<link>http://nickellbag.com/?p=933&#038;cpage=1#comment-6593</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Nickell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda doubt it. I mean, Metacritic.com probably has the closest approximation to such a list, as it tallies the opinions of many, many critics. But good luck finding a single person who would include all of their top five best-reviewed albums of the decade in a personal favorites list:

1. Brian Wilson: “Smile”
2. Loretta Lynn: “Van Lear Rose”
3. OutKast: “Stankonia”
4. Ali Farka Toure: “Savane”
5. Madvillainy: “Madvillainy” 

...And of course, that list doesn&#039;t begin to reflect album sales.

&quot;Most Influential&quot; might be marginally more do-able; but at this point in history, can we really say how influential Grizzly Bear&#039;s &quot;Veckatimest&quot; -- which came out this year -- will be in the long run, as compared to Radiohead&#039;s &quot;Kid A,&quot; which came out in 2000? Let alone the albums released in the past week or two...So that, too, seems like a pretty slippery way to frame a list.

This is kind of a tangent and kind of not; but I have long believed that objectivity is a hopeless illusion and impossible fantasy when it comes to writing about the arts. In fact, I believe it&#039;s an illusion when it comes to writing, period. Even in the realm of sports, I think that our culture&#039;s obsession with stats and standings serves as much to obscure as to illuminate greatness. 

All that said, I&#039;d love to hear your list of 90s bands that you think everybody would agree are the &quot;best.&quot; I have a feeling that&#039;d be the start of a serious flame war....Which is great for blog traffic.  :^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda doubt it. I mean, Metacritic.com probably has the closest approximation to such a list, as it tallies the opinions of many, many critics. But good luck finding a single person who would include all of their top five best-reviewed albums of the decade in a personal favorites list:</p>
<p>1. Brian Wilson: “Smile”<br />
2. Loretta Lynn: “Van Lear Rose”<br />
3. OutKast: “Stankonia”<br />
4. Ali Farka Toure: “Savane”<br />
5. Madvillainy: “Madvillainy” </p>
<p>&#8230;And of course, that list doesn&#8217;t begin to reflect album sales.</p>
<p>&#8220;Most Influential&#8221; might be marginally more do-able; but at this point in history, can we really say how influential Grizzly Bear&#8217;s &#8220;Veckatimest&#8221; &#8212; which came out this year &#8212; will be in the long run, as compared to Radiohead&#8217;s &#8220;Kid A,&#8221; which came out in 2000? Let alone the albums released in the past week or two&#8230;So that, too, seems like a pretty slippery way to frame a list.</p>
<p>This is kind of a tangent and kind of not; but I have long believed that objectivity is a hopeless illusion and impossible fantasy when it comes to writing about the arts. In fact, I believe it&#8217;s an illusion when it comes to writing, period. Even in the realm of sports, I think that our culture&#8217;s obsession with stats and standings serves as much to obscure as to illuminate greatness. </p>
<p>All that said, I&#8217;d love to hear your list of 90s bands that you think everybody would agree are the &#8220;best.&#8221; I have a feeling that&#8217;d be the start of a serious flame war&#8230;.Which is great for blog traffic.  :^)</p>
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		<title>By: rob tabish</title>
		<link>http://nickellbag.com/?p=933&#038;cpage=1#comment-6592</link>
		<dc:creator>rob tabish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and here i thought you were just trying to &quot;poke the bear&quot;. 
given a list of criteria, Joe.... could you come up with a &quot;best&quot; list for this decade? i can, just off the top of my head, make a list of bands from the previous decade that most people would agree to, but these last ten years....well, i don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and here i thought you were just trying to &#8220;poke the bear&#8221;.<br />
given a list of criteria, Joe&#8230;. could you come up with a &#8220;best&#8221; list for this decade? i can, just off the top of my head, make a list of bands from the previous decade that most people would agree to, but these last ten years&#8230;.well, i don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Nickell</title>
		<link>http://nickellbag.com/?p=933&#038;cpage=1#comment-6591</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Nickell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, since Rob brought up sales figures, I was really intrigued by the stark contrast between all of the critical &quot;decade&#039;s best&quot; lists I perused in the past couple of weeks, and the Billboard list of best-selling albums of the decade. It&#039;s probably no surprise, but there wasn&#039;t a single album on Billboard&#039;s chart that showed up in any of the critics&#039; lists that I read. 

Number one bestseller of the decade? &#039;N Sync&#039;s &quot;No Strings Attached.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, since Rob brought up sales figures, I was really intrigued by the stark contrast between all of the critical &#8220;decade&#8217;s best&#8221; lists I perused in the past couple of weeks, and the Billboard list of best-selling albums of the decade. It&#8217;s probably no surprise, but there wasn&#8217;t a single album on Billboard&#8217;s chart that showed up in any of the critics&#8217; lists that I read. </p>
<p>Number one bestseller of the decade? &#8216;N Sync&#8217;s &#8220;No Strings Attached.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Nickell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Nickell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think y&#039;all are saying the same thing, and I further think that you&#039;ve pointed out a misnomer in my title of this post. I wouldn&#039;t ever pretend to be an authority on the &quot;best&quot; music, because I think that&#039;s completely impossible to quantify. This my titling of this post (and the previous one) is misleading as to its intent.

So, yes, this is most definitely a &quot;favorites&quot; list. My actual intent in writing it was less to quantify or enumerate music that I think everybody &quot;should&quot; hear, and more to give readers insight into what moved me most deeply in the past decade.

In that sense, it&#039;s primarily an attempt at enumerating my biases, which I feel is actually a far more fruitful and honest approach to journalism in general than trying to hide behind a pretense of objectivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think y&#8217;all are saying the same thing, and I further think that you&#8217;ve pointed out a misnomer in my title of this post. I wouldn&#8217;t ever pretend to be an authority on the &#8220;best&#8221; music, because I think that&#8217;s completely impossible to quantify. This my titling of this post (and the previous one) is misleading as to its intent.</p>
<p>So, yes, this is most definitely a &#8220;favorites&#8221; list. My actual intent in writing it was less to quantify or enumerate music that I think everybody &#8220;should&#8221; hear, and more to give readers insight into what moved me most deeply in the past decade.</p>
<p>In that sense, it&#8217;s primarily an attempt at enumerating my biases, which I feel is actually a far more fruitful and honest approach to journalism in general than trying to hide behind a pretense of objectivity.</p>
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		<title>By: rob tabish</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob tabish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t this list really a &quot;favorites&quot; list already? i think if you are going to make a &quot;best&quot; list, it should have to meet criteria, such as originality, range of influence, over-all popularity [as much as i hate to admit that], and maybe demographics.  a &quot;best&quot; album should be eclectic as well as ground-breaking, and can be pointed to in years to come as memorable. 

just my opinion, of course. i look at albums i have in my collection that i consider to be the &quot;best&quot; of their genre, and invariably, there is a consensus of this over a wide range of audiophiles. Willie Nelson&#039;s &quot;Stardust&quot;, Pink Floyd&#039;s &quot;Dark Side of the Moon&quot;, the Beatles&#039; &quot;Sergent Pepper&quot; , Miles Davis&#039; &quot;Kind of Blue&quot;...all land on someones &quot;best&quot; list at some point or another. 

my &quot;favorites&quot; list would probably be a bit different, and include...like Joe&#039;s list here, some music a lot of people have never heard.  i respect Mr. Nickells&#039; taste in music....that is why i read his posts. by his own admission, these are songs stuck in his head, and most of us haven&#039;t taken THAT ride, so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t this list really a &#8220;favorites&#8221; list already? i think if you are going to make a &#8220;best&#8221; list, it should have to meet criteria, such as originality, range of influence, over-all popularity [as much as i hate to admit that], and maybe demographics.  a &#8220;best&#8221; album should be eclectic as well as ground-breaking, and can be pointed to in years to come as memorable. </p>
<p>just my opinion, of course. i look at albums i have in my collection that i consider to be the &#8220;best&#8221; of their genre, and invariably, there is a consensus of this over a wide range of audiophiles. Willie Nelson&#8217;s &#8220;Stardust&#8221;, Pink Floyd&#8217;s &#8220;Dark Side of the Moon&#8221;, the Beatles&#8217; &#8220;Sergent Pepper&#8221; , Miles Davis&#8217; &#8220;Kind of Blue&#8221;&#8230;all land on someones &#8220;best&#8221; list at some point or another. </p>
<p>my &#8220;favorites&#8221; list would probably be a bit different, and include&#8230;like Joe&#8217;s list here, some music a lot of people have never heard.  i respect Mr. Nickells&#8217; taste in music&#8230;.that is why i read his posts. by his own admission, these are songs stuck in his head, and most of us haven&#8217;t taken THAT ride, so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if this were a list of &quot;favorite&quot; albums rather than &quot;best&quot;albums? Would that read any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if this were a list of &#8220;favorite&#8221; albums rather than &#8220;best&#8221;albums? Would that read any different?</p>
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		<title>By: rob tabish</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob tabish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry about the comment on Shatner&#039;s album. i was under the impression there were more covers on it.  i do stand by my opinion that HE is..if nothing else, an original. 
  
i agree that lists are hard to live by, and you can no sooner make one than you will realize you missed something......as for my preferring 90s music over this decade&#039;s choices. i tend to view music much the same as you do.  if it sticks with me, if it makes an impression. unfortunately, there has been too little music from this decade that has impressed me enough to want to rush right out and buy it.  

don&#039;t get me wrong, there has been some.....but compared to what i was buying in the 90s, my new music collection hasn&#039;t grown much. i kinda blame the internet. with it, you can cherry-pick what you want to hear, but this unfairly takes away the power of some songs to &quot;grow&quot; on you....not like what would happen if you were to HAVE to listen to an entire album.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry about the comment on Shatner&#8217;s album. i was under the impression there were more covers on it.  i do stand by my opinion that HE is..if nothing else, an original. </p>
<p>i agree that lists are hard to live by, and you can no sooner make one than you will realize you missed something&#8230;&#8230;as for my preferring 90s music over this decade&#8217;s choices. i tend to view music much the same as you do.  if it sticks with me, if it makes an impression. unfortunately, there has been too little music from this decade that has impressed me enough to want to rush right out and buy it.  </p>
<p>don&#8217;t get me wrong, there has been some&#8230;..but compared to what i was buying in the 90s, my new music collection hasn&#8217;t grown much. i kinda blame the internet. with it, you can cherry-pick what you want to hear, but this unfairly takes away the power of some songs to &#8220;grow&#8221; on you&#8230;.not like what would happen if you were to HAVE to listen to an entire album.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor B</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, Shatner&#039;s album is not a cover album. It&#039;s mostly originals, mostly poetry written by the man himself, with one brilliant cover on it. By the way Joe that album and &quot;Hail to the Thief&quot; almost made my list. Actually who knows — maybe they will. I&#039;m still working on it. 

I sort of got into Radiohead in reverse chronological order so I don&#039;t have your problem with &quot;In Rainbows&quot; which I also loved. I know it&#039;s hard to imagine but I never really heard any Radiohead until about a year ago.

Also love the Bad Plus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, Shatner&#8217;s album is not a cover album. It&#8217;s mostly originals, mostly poetry written by the man himself, with one brilliant cover on it. By the way Joe that album and &#8220;Hail to the Thief&#8221; almost made my list. Actually who knows — maybe they will. I&#8217;m still working on it. </p>
<p>I sort of got into Radiohead in reverse chronological order so I don&#8217;t have your problem with &#8220;In Rainbows&#8221; which I also loved. I know it&#8217;s hard to imagine but I never really heard any Radiohead until about a year ago.</p>
<p>Also love the Bad Plus.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Nickell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Nickell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughts, Rob. I&#039;m not sure you framed your view of this exactly like I&#039;d intended though -- I&#039;m not trying to compare these releases to those of previous decades. This is just the albums that have (a) been released to the public between 2000-2009, and (b) managed to somehow haunt my ears and get stuck in my CD player the longest. I&#039;m sorry to hear that you don&#039;t feel that anything from this decade ranks with music from the 90s; I&#039;m happy that I disagree. :^)

You&#039;re the first person I know who prefers Radiohead&#039;s earliest stuff to later albums; but to follow your point, I will say that my complaint about &quot;In Rainbows&quot; is that it&#039;s the first one I&#039;ve heard where I thought, &quot;this doesn&#039;t sound like anything new.&quot; I like it, but don&#039;t feel like it&#039;s a major step for them. Anyway, I think it&#039;s pretty amazing to note how many different Radiohead albums show up on people&#039;s best-of lists: my coworker Michael Moore listed &quot;In Rainbows,&quot; while Rolling Stone put &quot;Kid A&quot; at the top of its list. So did Pitchfork.

Ultimately, I completely agree with you that doing lists -- especially numbered/ranked lists -- is a total minefield (that&#039;s why, despite promising to do so yesterday on the blog, I&#039;m still hesitating to attempt a local-release list). I find it a fun personal exercise ultimately, and I actually feel like I learned some things about myself and my tendencies through this process. For example, I had an alcohol-fueled argument the other night with my cousin about whether Regina Spektor&#039;s latest album belongs on this list. In talking about it, I realized that I seem to have an unintentional and unspecific dislike for female artists of her ilk -- I never got into Ani DiFranco completely, and felt even less interested in the work of Kate Bush and Tori Amos (both of whom are closer to Spektor than Ani). It&#039;s not that I dislike strong women singers; Joni Mitchell is a top-5-of-all-time artist for me, and I&#039;ve loved the work of Gillian Welch, Abigail Washburn, k.d. lang, and others. So I don&#039;t know what the deal is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughts, Rob. I&#8217;m not sure you framed your view of this exactly like I&#8217;d intended though &#8212; I&#8217;m not trying to compare these releases to those of previous decades. This is just the albums that have (a) been released to the public between 2000-2009, and (b) managed to somehow haunt my ears and get stuck in my CD player the longest. I&#8217;m sorry to hear that you don&#8217;t feel that anything from this decade ranks with music from the 90s; I&#8217;m happy that I disagree. :^)</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the first person I know who prefers Radiohead&#8217;s earliest stuff to later albums; but to follow your point, I will say that my complaint about &#8220;In Rainbows&#8221; is that it&#8217;s the first one I&#8217;ve heard where I thought, &#8220;this doesn&#8217;t sound like anything new.&#8221; I like it, but don&#8217;t feel like it&#8217;s a major step for them. Anyway, I think it&#8217;s pretty amazing to note how many different Radiohead albums show up on people&#8217;s best-of lists: my coworker Michael Moore listed &#8220;In Rainbows,&#8221; while Rolling Stone put &#8220;Kid A&#8221; at the top of its list. So did Pitchfork.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I completely agree with you that doing lists &#8212; especially numbered/ranked lists &#8212; is a total minefield (that&#8217;s why, despite promising to do so yesterday on the blog, I&#8217;m still hesitating to attempt a local-release list). I find it a fun personal exercise ultimately, and I actually feel like I learned some things about myself and my tendencies through this process. For example, I had an alcohol-fueled argument the other night with my cousin about whether Regina Spektor&#8217;s latest album belongs on this list. In talking about it, I realized that I seem to have an unintentional and unspecific dislike for female artists of her ilk &#8212; I never got into Ani DiFranco completely, and felt even less interested in the work of Kate Bush and Tori Amos (both of whom are closer to Spektor than Ani). It&#8217;s not that I dislike strong women singers; Joni Mitchell is a top-5-of-all-time artist for me, and I&#8217;ve loved the work of Gillian Welch, Abigail Washburn, k.d. lang, and others. So I don&#8217;t know what the deal is.</p>
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